102 Dr. Brad Montagne: How Broken Food, Corrupted Medicine, & Bioweapons Are Killing Us With Chronic Illness

Conventional medicine, they're primarily symptom -focused. They don't care about cause. And all of their therapeutic intervention is about symptoms. Functional medicine, instead of getting labels on things and letting some cookbook tell you what to do, when you find what a root cause is, you address the root cause and problems resolve themselves and they just go away rather than manage symptoms.

I mean, you went to medical school in the United States, then for you to do this training outside of it, how do those conflict? The primary difference is philosophy. There's no doctor school in North America that teaches chronic illness. You've got to go outside of the school system.

Environmental factors at play, whether that be endocrine disruptors in people's foods. That girl does not have ADHD. School's just feeding her toxic sugar. What was your take on the effectiveness of going organic with the produce and stuff that you're buying? Organic is a big lie. It used to mean something 20 plus years ago.

It doesn't anymore. Welcome to Going In Blind. I'm your host, Zach Tidwell, and my guest this week is a functional medicine doctor who has been in the field for 40 years, researching, treating, and pioneering in the space. He specializes in chronic illness specifically, so we're going to get to talk about a lot of subjects today that probably touch a lot of people listening.

You know, functional medicine doctors tend to have a very different approach to things. So if you've been kind of worn out with the answers that you're getting from the conventional medicine or medical system, this is probably a good one for you. I think that's all I have for you guys.

So, Brad, thank you for being here. Hi, welcome. Thanks for the invite. Yeah, this is, you know. I don't think functional medicine came on my radar until a couple of years ago. And even now it's still, I have a surface level awareness of it. I don't have any actual experience as a beneficiary of it or anything like that, but I have been wanting to get someone from your field on here to cover this for probably the past year.

So this is, I'm very, very excited about this, but can you maybe lay out if there is a good way to do so? Maybe the delineation that separates functional medicine from conventional, you know, physician. Yeah, it's actually profound, but the explanation is pretty simple. Conventional medicine, they're primarily symptom focused.

They don't care about cause and all of their therapeutic intervention. is about symptoms. There's no doctor school in North America that teaches chronic illness. You got to go outside of the school systems. So we're talking allopathic with a medical system, chiropractic, naturopathic, homeopathic, none of them teach chronic illness.

You've got to go outside all those camps to do that. And that's not a lot of people have that kind of interest. with things functional medicine instead of getting labels on things and letting some cookbook tell you what to do the roots of functional medicine were some clinical nutrition chiropractors who were doing some amazing things that needed a way to justify their continuing education it's a more intuitive type of diagnostic systems that are way more accurate with the right type of person.

It seeks to find root cause. A lot of people say that, but very few have the tools to be able to do it. When you find what a root cause is, you address root cause and the problems resolve themselves and they just go away rather than manage symptoms.

So with a true functional medicine doc, there's a graduation day with where When you hit that graduation day, like in our case, you no longer have the things that you came in for. And it doesn't mean we don't need to do continuing care to help manage your life and all that.

But some things we specialize, candida, leaky gut, Lyme disease. Lyme disease is really the worst of all the chronic illnesses out there. graduation day you no longer have Lyme disease you no longer have co -infections you no longer have the things that beat your immune system up that allowed that to grow you're healthy again and that takes a fraction of the time that most people are used to and I you know this is actually something that I've touched on just anecdotally in conversation with people on here before but i haven't actually gotten to talk with a physician about is and actually i just i recorded an episode yesterday and we kind of touched on this because the the woman that i spoke with beth kromer runs an ayahuasca retreat center here in the u .s but we were talking about this very similar thing you know she's not a clinician, but she's working with a plant medicine that is not legal in the United States.

And we talked about how there's now starting to be a resurgence of these old medicines like Ibogaine and Ayahuasca and psilocybin starting to be researched. And the fact that I think some of that battle comes from the pharmaceutical industry and the fact that Which speaks to what you were already saying of the treating the symptoms of things, because when there's a massive industry behind treating people, which, you know, I feel like in the United States, it has started to be called sick care, like people are starting to see it as that and call it out as such.

But it's it seems to be in the interest of keeping people on a subscription based business model, which you are not doing as so for you. Did you go to, I mean, you went to medical school in the United States, then for you to do this training outside of it, how do those conflict with each other, those different educational backgrounds and maybe with the context of our current medical system, like the standard system that is in place?

The primary difference is philosophy. And most people don't realize this. All clinicians understand. that the function of doctrine is based on a triad of philosophy, science, and the art of application. So the difference between the different disciplines, chiropractic, medicine, naturopathic, homeopathic, is primarily philosophy. The scientific base in chiropractic and medicine is identical.

same teachers same programs they all get reproductive issues gastrointestinal issues cardiovascular the whole nine yards the naturopathic and homeopathic schools don't teach those things so and i've found that really interesting but i asked to do a summit years ago on and they asked me to do the education of the different doctor doctor programs So the primary difference is the philosophy in which you look at things.

Medicine was taken over by John Rockefellers. He planned a thing out where he totally changed the whole education of medicine over here in the States. And he did that for corrupt means. Him and Carnegie had... invested in the pharmaceutical industry john rockefeller wanted to increase his profits and he completely changed the whole medical model it used to be more of a apprenticeship as far as people getting their medical degrees and they wanted to poo -poo that and do something what they call more scientific but it's really not scientific because In life, when you start with a bias of opinion, you lost all ability to really analyze and realistically look at things.

And the bias was to make it more scientific, which is that's where all the lab testing and all that came from, which can only find symptomatic issues that can't find root cause. Because all you're seeing is the symptoms and not the actual source of things. Like that is the input that you're, the data that you're able to track is just the symptoms.

As far as the lab tests go, yeah. All that's based off of Louis Pasteur's work. He was a father of the germ theory. But at the end of his life, Louis Pasteur realized that the germ was nothing. His contemporary, Claude Bernard, they're both from France. Claude Bernard taught in the medical schools.

He taught the physical vitalism. It was the integrity of the operation of the internal systems in the body that determined health and whether disease could grow or not. Not the microbe. So it's easy to sell people on the microbe. deal because you can have some hard figures where the intuitive models you don't necessarily have hard figures yeah actually have you heard of dr suzanne humphries i don't believe so i think i'm getting her name right it's been maybe two years since i read her book i think it's called dissolving illusions if i remember right but she it's it speaks along these lines but she's making the case of you know that we draw Certain technologies being.

And even medicines being. The reason that we've moved past certain things like, you know, smallpox vaccine being the reason that smallpox has largely been eradicated. But she goes back through history and starts to see that it all of these things starting to disappear also coincide with. society becoming a lot more sanitary and actually having you know uh we now we have sanitation systems where people have plumbing and there's no sewage being dumped in the streets and into the rivers where people are getting their water and their food and all this stuff so it's along these same lines so just you know looking at a societal level as opposed to an individual level of yes maybe the pathogen isn't total, isn't the issue in and of itself.

Like there's, there's it with, with a, a better suited environment or a stronger environment that it doesn't actually start to take hold on things. And it's with, so when you went for, the timeline is you, you become an MD and then you go for follow on training in functional medicine where you, you had to leave the seats to do so.

Is that the correct? Well, it depends. You know, I don't have an MD license. I've got, I've actually got two degrees, two doctorates. One is a pastoral medical license and the other one is chiropractic. But I, I don't like school and I went through school a completely different way than other people did in an insane period of time.

It takes most people four, six, maybe eight years to get into grad school. I did it in 14 months. So that's me. What? Yeah, I did nine years of school in four and a half and I was just out of there. And why I went to school, I went to seminary and I also started my education in functional medicine at the same time.

So that's me. It's completely out of the box, but that's me. That was... My path, my schedule, my heart, and all that's combined in everything that I do. And so the functional medicine education, where, how are you, because you've mentioned that none of the, that's not taught in the United States.

So how did you pursue that? No, it's not taught in the school systems. Okay. Okay. So you have got to go outside of the school systems. And when you look at the school systems, the clinical skills that are. odd inside schools are atrocious they're just not acceptable they're just too far below standard and that's that's just a reality and the reason why a lot of that is is the people that can't make it in a public work arena they stay on and become educators And it's just an inherent broken part of the system.

It used to be the greatest docs wanted to share their crowd. Now it's the incompetent ones that teach the student. Those who can't do teach. It's completely backwards. So you've got to go out in seminars and special meetings and gatherings and all that to get. the kind of education that i have and i've just thousands of hours of personal research and so when you point out that that flipping in the education system i mean you saw that firsthand and have seen that firsthand yeah it's atrocious what do you think caused that um people First of all, people in an old world society is primarily the educated people to give back to society.

And it used to be the greats really wanted to perfect and share their craft. And so they set up schools. But the governance systems that are out there don't like innovation. They discourage it and they ostracize those who have it. So the innovative people are subjected to the cancel culture of oversight.

And that's part of it. It's easier for them to make a lot more impact and financial gain by having a practice than it is to teach in an educational system. So you got a whole bunch of different motivations that are there. And it's one of those things where it's, if it's that bad and it's systemic at that point, then it's like, how do you start to correct that?

I guess, I mean, it's incentives, right. In general with humans, but it's a huge uphill battle, but you know, sometimes a wealth of conversations like these. can over time can start to shift that. So I guess let's, I'm really, there's several of the, these illnesses that you've covered that, that I really want to be able to dig through kind of one by one and, and throw in any others that, that are big prevalent issues.

But I'm also, I'm curious as we step through these, so maybe if you can kind of keep this, you know, put a pin in this in the back of your mind, I, Other than Lyme disease, with some of these that we'll step through, whether it be fertility stuff, hormonal issues, the leaky gut kind of stuff, how much of it is environmental factors at play, whether that be endocrine disruptors in people's foods, the plastics that are just ubiquitous in daily life at this point, and all of those kinds of things, and diet as well.

And when I say diet, not from the sense of a specialized diet to maybe try and counteract or get to a solution for these things, but just the general, our country is very, very unhealthy. And so if you can maybe keep that in mind as we step through these.

So I think probably the biggest one out there that people hear about is Lyme disease. Can we step through that? Well, actually, I'm going to tie them all together because they are all tied together. okay that's pretty simple um candida leaky gut i call the root cause of almost all chronic illness in 40 years i've never seen an exception to that so i don't see it is the only there may be an exception i haven't seen it though so um when you look at the gut lining if you hold your fingers up in front of your face with your With your hand open, your fingers represent the lining of the gut called microvilli.

And those microvilli, with all the projections, increase the surface area of the gut about 400 times. Really close to that. The microvilli that secrete a mucus that fills the space in between the microvilli caps over the top, which makes it so food can never touch it. It's in that mucus where all the microbes in the gut live, and the microbes actually do the bulk of the digestion throughout the whole issue of the gut.

The healthy microbes in the gut is what keep the balance right of all the microbes that live in there. There's more microbes in the gut than there are human cells in the rest of the body, by far. and its volume is about the size of a five quart ice cream pail average of weight of five to eight pounds in a in a human adult when you do anything to create an inflammatory response inside of the gut make it chronic it starts to make those microvilli atrophy and they'll go from like hold your fingers up to rolling your hand into a fist and just looking at your knuckles And that can happen as little as 24 hours.

When that happens, there's no place to make the mucus. The good microbes wash down into the toilet and it allows pathogens to grow unchecked. The biggest of those pathogens is candida. It's a family of yeast that can morph into fungus. Fungus can morph into mold. And fungus can be, fungus is usually a, it has a body with all of these projections coming out called mycelia.

The mycelia are the feeding tubules. Those feeding tubules can easily pierce the gut wall. There's only one cell there thick, by the way. And those can break off and those become fungal parasites. They can float anywhere and create a new fungal colony anywhere else in the body. Which probably causes more inflammation in other areas of the body then.

Pretty much. The candida creates a toxin that's seven times more toxic than from an embalming fluid, which is formaldehyde. It's called acetyl aldehyde. And that toxin spills out through all the detox systems, overwhelms the detox systems, because three of the detox systems is in the gut. Small intestinal wall, colon wall, and the microbes in the gut.

The liver can't take the place of those three. It overwhelms us, spills out systemically. And you got the cetyl aldehyde creating all these free radical responses and just wicked toxicity everywhere. Along with that, you got parts of microbes. that are dying in the gut, leaking out of the bloodstream, that's called LPS or lipopolysaccharides.

That creates a super toxic environment that creates autoimmune responses first in the gut wall, and then it goes systemically throughout the body wherever those toxins go. That's the stage that Lyme disease and all diseases that are microbes are opportunistic. infections. They take the opportunity of a beat up body and weakened body with a weakened immune system to be able to grow.

75 % of the immune system is in the gut wall. So you make that gut wall leak, fill it full of pathogens, which are making all kinds of toxins. The immune system's all tied up with that. It can't fight anything else out. So you introduce something like Lyme disease.

Lyme disease is a lot more complex than people are aware of. It consists of primarily at least five different infections. The candida, I've never seen an example of Lyme disease where candida didn't set the stage for Lyme disease to grow. Really? Not one case, and I've seen hundreds.

The primary bacteria in Lyme disease is called a Borrelia. It's shaped like a corkscrew. When they released the JFK files, when Trump got in office, people went through those and they found out it was true that our bioweapons labs actually created Lyme disease and weaponized text to put it out there.

That is what it is. If people dwell on that, it gets them so pissed off that they can't possibly heal because they're so full of anger and resentment. It's not a good thing, but it's just a reality. That's our government. And there's no going back. There's also now huge tech companies that are trying to do similar, well, maybe not nefarious means, but they're trying to deliver different things via mosquitoes.

I think Google is one of the companies that was talking about that, which is like... Leave so much room open for something to go wrong, right? And have more runaway things out of the environment that aren't supposed to be there. But yeah, go ahead. So mosquito is one of the vectors that transfers it.

Okay, so Borrelia, it's my belief, it's a hot -rotted syphilis bacteria, which is also a corkscrew. Syphilis was the most impossible disease known to mankind. And they plant rotted that in a lab laboratory. Along with the Borrelia, if we go back to Candida, the cell walls of the yeast form, fungal form, mold form, fungal parasite form are all made up of chitin.

It's the same kind of outside shell that's on shrimp. It's on beetles, rickets, things along that line. The immune system can't do anything with kite. It's the microbes that grow on the mucous membranes to keep that in check. So once you wipe out the good ones, it grows completely unchecked.

So that's a second infection. That's what sets the stage. Third bacterial infection is called Ehrlichia. Ehrlichia is a small round bacteria that goes and penetrates the white blood cells, your immune cells, and it paralyzes your immune system. Then there's another one called Rickettsia. That's where Rocky Mountain Spot Fever comes from.

Rickettsia is a small round bacteria that penetrates the lining of your gut and the lining of your blood vessels. Now the lining of blood vessels is only one cell layer thick like the gut. It's seven times smoother glass and it makes that rough. So blood cells no longer flow down through the arteries, capillaries, and all that.

They tumble and they roll. And that creates hyperinflammatory responses, clotting, all kinds of other issues. And the third, the fourth one is a single -celled parasite called Babesia. It's a close cousin to... malaria, the Babesia animal, single -celled animal, climbs inside the red blood cells and eats them from the inside out.

That gives malaria -like fevers. It lowers the hemoglobin, makes people so they can't absorb, carry, deliver, and utilize oxygen. So that's the spectrum of what Lyme disease is made up of. Babesia is a lot worse than Lyme disease. It's more common and is commonly the primary infection instead of Lyme disease.

But the diagnostic tools out there aren't good enough for people to get a diagnosis. The best Lyme lab in the world is Igenix. They used to have on their website, their tests were zero to 20 % accurate. If you got a lab sample when the first one to two weeks of infection, which nobody did.

Now their website just says our tests are not a diagnosis. It's $3 ,500 for a full -spectrum lab test for the Borrelia bacteria, which they always test the wrong strains that people don't get sick from, and Rickettsia, Ehrlichia, and Babesia. $3 ,500 for that with virtually no accuracy to direct any kind of care and tell you whether you have it or not.

And so just so I make sure that I have that correct, a Lyme disease diagnosis points to one of those things, essentially. Those are not all necessarily in tandem with Lyme disease. It's just candida comes. And then if typically what's associated with Lyme disease can be also any of those other things that you just mentioned.

If you go to a typical place that does lab tests, it's common they'll only test Lyme disease. I test them all, multiple strains in each one of those. Every single person, whether they have any symptoms or not, that's my testing. So probably the most well -known functional medicine doc in the world is Mark Hyman, his medical doctor.

His new patient intake is 100 lab tests, and he's got add -ons on top of that. We're four and a half times what he does with everybody that comes in. everybody we deal with and we do a lot of distant care too so and the reason i do so many testing is i need to know what's going on with everybody i can't put somebody in a box i need to test everything and let the test tell me what's going on rather than a label and so really if if we were to fix our medical system to actually be addressing the root cause instead of the symptoms.

It needs to be more like that where there's comprehensive testing of... It's extremely comprehensive, but you can't test those things with lab tests. You have to use other means. Can you expand on that? What's that? I said, can you expand on that? Yeah, there's four primary systems of testing.

Lab tests, everybody knows. They can be very expensive. As I said, the Lyme lab... tests, zero to 20 % accurate if the test was taken in the first one to two weeks of infection. Now that is arguably the best Lyme lab in the world to set that. So I'm not talking about some hole in the wall, second rate thing.

Arguably the best. You look at food intolerance testing, only two to three percent accurate. The reason why is only 2 % to 3 % of the responses are immune -muted response. They have no idea of mechanisms, the other ones. You look at lab testing for candida, most people with cancer die from a candida infection.

The research of testing cancer patients for candida, no clinical relevance to what the tests find, to what's actually going on inside. Any kind of beneficial care whatsoever. And just go down the line. All these specialty tests, it's the same thing. Lab tests are extremely inaccurate. People believe they're accurate because that's what's promoted, but they're not.

Second form of testing, and it doesn't matter what order you put these in, dark field microscopy or live cell blood analysis. I was in a Lyme lab. some time back where probably the world's foremost Lyme researchers was there. He was a clinical pathologist in a research hospital. And he was talking about a bunch of things.

And I asked a bunch of questions. One was about dark field microscopy. And he says, well, the problem with that is when you look in a microscope, you cannot tell a species. in a live cell analysis it takes a specific stain to tell what species you're looking at on the slide so you can see a corkscrew go through in a live cell you don't know if that's syphilis you don't know if that's borrelli you don't know if that's something benign you can see shapes but you can't tell what they are and as soon as i heard that it's like okay there's I wasn't married to that.

I know people that are and people that use it, but I personally wasn't married to it. And I don't need more of an explanation. It doesn't give you exact enough answer to be valid enough for somebody like me to use. And the medical system says the same thing.

So that's a second type. A third type is electrodiagnostics. I've got one of the highest. grades of electrodiagnostic machines that are out there. The problem with those is they work off meridians. They can give you a reasonable picture of what's going on, but they can't tell you the cause or the extent.

And without telling you what the cause is, they can't direct care very well. And of all the people we've shared over the years that have had the electrical diagnostics, very few of them have anything that they're given work for them. And of the few that what they're given does work, it's a small fraction of what they have.

It's not the whole picture. So that's the third system. The fourth one is muscle testing. It's 95 to 97 % accurate. In double -blind studies, those are on PubMed. The problem with everything other than lab tests, you can't get a medical diagnosis, which is actually a good thing because it kicks you out of that system.

The muscle testing, it's an intuitive skill. So it has a whole bunch to do with the integrity of the person doing the testing. If they have an agenda, like they want to be famous for Lyme disease, and they make everybody Lyme disease, it's going to skew their test results.

If they're not thorough, it's going to skew their test results. If they don't understand how the body works, physiology, they're not going to be able to test very accurately. And if the person being tested is being dishonest, using trickery and or deceit, it discounts the test. It nullifies it.

So it takes all these factors that you got to lay out. I do muscle testing a different way than anybody I know does it. The people that train me have no idea what I do. We use muscle testing as a bioenergetic measurement. Bioenergetics is all the energy from all the cells that make up all the biology out there.

When we look at the model that we're taught in school, you got a nucleus of an atom and you got these electrons that are like a solar system orbital outside. That's not true. It's not how they... they orbit at all it's it's just how we visualize it or how they show it so a seventh grader can learn what a cell or how right but albert einstein when he came up with the theory of relativity equals mc squared what that really meant was god lent his nature to make all physical things and that nature is called a quark it's electromagnetic spin of light That's what all the building blocks of all the parts of an atom are.

And when these orbitals move around, they can be positive or negative charge. And when they're positrons instead of electrons, the charge inside the nucleus reverses to become negative. Those are called isotopes. Anyway, as these orbitals move around, what they become is they make the atoms become electromagnetic pumps.

And when the orbital's on one side of the atom, the charge is on that side. When it's on the other side of the atom, it's on the other side. It can skip space and go right through the nucleus and show up on the other side. It's not these circular orbits.

When it bonds to another atom, it's more like a sugar cone, ice cream cone. There's a real small apex that arcs out, rounds at the end where it turns back. So, when you look at bioenergetics, every molecule that makes up all living things will have a different bioenergetic energy.

And the way that I do muscle testing, we are testing the muscle response to those bioenergetic energy fields. So you can touch reflex points, test every function, every organ. You can take vials of things that have electromagnetics in them and test them to anything you have a vial of, whether that's microbes, toxins, foods, you name it.

And so, but how, I mean, you just described atoms and molecules and then you. And the fact that these are underlying everything. So when you're testing this, how are you testing those fields? When those bioenergetic fields in that organ for that function are working right, the muscle you test goes strong.

When those bioenergetic fields are weak, it makes the muscle go weak. If you test on... a food that they're toxic to it'll make them go weak if you test them to a toxin that they're reactive to it'll make them go weak if you test them on a food that is good for them and makes them get stronger and it takes a lot of skill to ask a lot of different questions to to put all this together like a good friend of mine top functional medicine doc in a different part of the country.

His metabolic tests are 52. I'm five times that. And somebody like him would go, why do you do that? It's because the people I work with, I need that much information to help them. I work for the sickest of the sick, people that have been to multiple docs, oftentimes for decades, wasted insane amounts of money.

And are not any better for it. And we get over 90 % of those people. Well, again, I got to use a whole different system. So go ahead. Yeah. So when you, you test these fields, I mean, is it, are you using something to read like a literal, like with a, you know, a screen and electromagnetic field that is, you know, we put out electric signals.

Obviously there's there that's. an electric pulse running through our muscles and things like that, how you're doing all this? You could do it that way, but the Lord moved us to a different part of the country years ago, and people were begging us to figure out a way to work with them at a distance.

And we figured out how to do that using a surrogate, and that'd be very, very difficult to do in that instance with that. What the largest part of the people we work with are long ways away. So that wouldn't work. There are machines that will measure that, but it's the response of the muscle on its reflex time on how long it takes for it to come to strength and hold its position, whether it can do that or not.

And so do you get a baseline for each person or is there a typical contractile time that we know muscles fire at when they're healthy? There is very, very good question. Every time we test somebody, even if I've worked with them for a long time, we always get a baseline on multiple organ systems to see what's going on and how their response time is before we can go forward.

And even if they're unhealthy, when you take those baselines, you would still see when there's an improvement. Exactly. Like, you know, one case in point, we were working with somebody on the other side of the world who had major toxicity issues. They had Lyme disease, food intolerance, a bunch of things.

We got them over that, but they're still hyper -reactive to things and thinking that they're... Can never get better. So we tried to get a baseline with them in the house and it wasn't working. Something was so toxic in the environment that we couldn't get a baseline that was testable.

So I had them go into the backyard, it got worse. Had them walk out in the front yard, finally got a point in the front yard where we finally had some response, which... Made this huge question in my mind, and I asked, what is behind you? The other side of your backyard.

Oh, there's a golf course back there. Golf courses are one of the generators of the most toxic herbicides out there. Atrazine is one of the most common things, and it's 10 times worse than Roundup. And that was what the person's problem is. is living next to this golf course in a foreign country where their use of herbicides and pesticides compared to us in the United States is like us compared to Europe.

And we're horrible for people who don't realize that. It's just horrendous sometimes. Absolutely horrendous. And that's what the problem was. With that, you can localize things. You can find out what organ system the problem is, primary problem is, because when you have them, when you localize that, things get strong.

And if you're not on the right place, things get weak. When you start doing therapeutic intervention, you start building a case, we always build something off a foundation on how we're going to get somebody better. We start with foundational things, multivitamins. There's only two multivitamins we found in North America that are any good.

Then we check for fish oils. There's only two fish oils we see. We check for calcium, magnesium stuff. There's only two sources of that that's any good. And we've tested hundreds of supplements, literally, hundreds. most of them really don't have any value whatsoever and i'm i'm told i'm one of downline of like 300 ,000 dogs who can test these things and figure that out but you know we sequentially go through things you know first we lay a foundation then say you've got a gut issues we start testing gut things with the problems we found in the gut to figure out how to resolve those and then say they got some microbe issues outside of the gut.

We'll see how that affects it, what we need to tweak with that. If there are parasite issues, what we need to do with that. We got environmental toxins, what we need to do with that. We build a case trying to find things that have global impact rather than pill A for symptom A.

We want the least amount we can do. to start rebuilding these systems. And nutrition is literally half of the case. In every case, I don't ever remember seeing an exception. Which is another place where our country stands out. Yeah, and almost nobody's trained in that aspect. That's actually something I've just...

also learn in the past couple of years here is like there's really even a traditional doctor out of medical school gets a very limited, limited time covering nutrition. When I was back in grad school, there were only two medical institutions in the United States that had nutrition as an elective.

And that was only one class. And that should be part of the core education, not... It's not part of their belief system, which is to pacify symptoms. And it complicates the whole mix because you don't give a food to pacify symptoms. You use food to address root causes.

So if you take the nutritional programs that are out there, those are all geared to get people into the school system. cafeterias and hospital cafeterias they the people that promote those those uh their ongoing education is companies like pepsi cola lets you know how good they are the research shows and proves hospital cafeteria is the most unnutritious dangerous place to eat in north america I mean, it's like prison type of food.

It's just all a mass mass produced fake food, which is that's another interesting thing is, you know, those are our big companies that are big processed food companies like Nabisco and stuff like that. Those arose as the tobacco industry started taking hits and cigarettes started. The truth about cigarettes started coming out.

And so. the same scientists that were tasked with making cigarettes so addictive were then shifted over to the food industry and now here we are downstream of that decades later and most of our country is obese and basically you know walking dead people with their organs surrounded by internal fat that's not supposed to be there and just putting this incredible amount of load on your body, your organ and your skeletal system that is just not supposed to be there.

And I'm sure it ties into the cancer rates that we see and everything else. Diabetes. Yeah, you're very well informed. That's impressive what you just said. You're very well informed. One of the things that is amazing about obesity, you know, I've been working with people for We're not going to do our 40 years.

I'm just barely shy of that. Four decades and the end of that. Of all the people that I've seen that are obese, even morbidly obese, I can't remember any of them that ate too many calories. The foods they ate dysregulated their hormones. And the hormone dysregulation made them deposit fat when they weren't having enough calories to fuel their bodily functions or having enough nutrient intake to fuel their bodily functions.

I just said a mouthful there. Well, and a very like counter to conventional wisdom outside of obviously like a lot of those calories are. bullshit calories, that it's not necessarily the calories and it's more so the downstream effects of, I mean, it is, yes, they are putting shitty calories in, but it is what the imbalance is that those cause that are leading to the obesity.

Right. And the cause has to do with toxicity, inflammation. Combination of those things creates adrenal responses that dysregulate the entire hormonal system, which makes us deposit fats. And you can tell where the fat's deposited what the hormonal dysregulation is. Once you understand what you're looking at, you just glance at somebody and you can tell.

So that's not a, hey, I tend to get fat around my love handles and my ass, like not anywhere else. Those correlate with specific hormonal imbalances. Exactly, yeah. Really? Yeah. The hips, the rear and upper thighs, that's all estrogen toxicity. The love handles, that's insulin. You take classic beer belly, that's liver.

You take hanging, sagging abdomen. thinning legs so they look bird -like and a boxy thorax chest front to back side to side that's adrenal thyroid lumpy bumpy weight all over the entire body growth hormone is calves that are big man boobs is thyroid uh testosterone well i think that or i guess i'll ask you the the other side of this you know just like you said you know if you don't If you're treating, if you're not treating the root, you're not giving someone food, right?

Well, also exercise is not something that is pushed hard enough and lifestyle, you know, what they call lifestyle medicine, you know, so I've been, I've been doing the whole nine yards with every aspect of people with sleep, rest patterns, stress patterns. eating issues, everything to do with lifestyle.

Lifestyle, I've heard some people in the functional integrative medicine fields make the blatant statement that lifestyle medicine, just that alone, could resolve 80 % of the cases of chronic illness out there. You would think so. I mean, these are things that we're designed to do. We are designed to be at work.

We used to that used to be the vast majority of our days was seeking. I mean, it was exerting yourself in the interest of finding food. Now it's entirely flipped. Now we sit all day and have an abundance and overabundance of food, which, you know, I've already talked about the quality of which, but I mean, and that, that change came.

in a very very short amount of time when you in relation to how long it takes people to evolve like our we're doing nothing that we really do now is natural it has nothing to do with how long it takes people to evolve it's what they have done to our food supply GMO is a wagging the dog issue to get people's focus off what the real problem is.

GMO plants cannot grow without herbicides and pesticides. The real issue is herbicides and pesticides. Those destroy our health. And there's a few foods in there that are really wicked, but it's the introduction of herbicides and pesticides in our food that the GMO issue has. created to set the stage for all this and it is planned as you said everything works together to fuel the medical system the food system is to keep people sick so they got to go to the doctor the doctors they're subsidized by the pharmaceutical industry to reduce their educational costs but you're guaranteed an insane salary if you just play the game you pump those out the our legislators are part of that in that they get paid in their back pocket they can do insider trading to make themselves just filthy rich on different things the insurance agency props the whole thing up and it's just this wicked evil conglomerate of a bunch of things keeping people sick so they can increase their in their need or pharmaceuticals, the percentage of school kids in grade school that are medicated is inexcusable.

It's just inexcusable. Yeah, and it's everything, which I'm sure you and I probably have similar feelings on everyone having ADHD and things like that. That's all diet issues. getting someone on a on a medication early and for their entire life but the actually let's step through that since that's because you know everyone and their mother now has ad adhd and then you know is on an amphetamine that for the rest of their lives to to counteract that so let's talk about that one um really simple i we had a guy um he was right around puberty time came in our office This was a while back.

He was completely socially detached, not doing well in school whatsoever, not interactive. You couldn't get him to communicate or anything. He had ADHD, autism label on him. We started working with him over a summer, and one day he came in when I had an office. He came in when one of his teachers was there.

And he saw the teacher and he walked over and said hi and started talking to her. She was shocked. He'd never said hi the whole time he was in school. He started running with his stepdad. And he actually outran his stepdad. He grew a whole bunch over the summer.

And because he didn't have a filter, he could talk to anybody. So the girls just flocked around him. He had all these girls just right at his elbows because he was the only guy that would talk to him with all that. He completely came out of his shell and he became, I don't know if he's an honor student, but he was pretty close to that.

All from dealing with gut issues and done it. I had a family come in not too long ago. The girl was about six years of age with an ADHD placard on her that talked to the mom before they came up. I did an evaluation on the mom. That little girl was in a small room, probably nine by 13, that's got furniture, table.

All the stuff that I use for diagnostics. She's in that room for four hours contentedly sitting, doing schoolwork, reading, coloring, playing quietly. And I looked at the parents partway through and said, that girl does not have ADHD. School's just feeding her toxic sugar. And that's what's creating all that.

Everyone with those types of labels, their guts are just a toxic mess. Their flora's an absolute wreck and their diets are atrocious. You fix those and you would never know they had those labels. You're in an inherently ungodly, boring environment that is not structured for children to be in.

There's a lot of things there where I feel it's and I'm I wonder how much of the diagnostic tools that get used, the tests that they use to diagnose people with these things, how much over the past couple of decades has the threshold shifted lower and lower to meet the criteria for having these things?

When you look at things like ADHD, autism, there's no diagnostic tests. There's a collection of symptoms. And if you get the magic number of those symptoms in that list, there's your label. So you're handed a checkoff sheet and say the magic number is 15 out of 45. If you got 15 or more on there, you got the label and here's your med.

We're just going to jack you up and make you uncontrollable. Yeah. Well, while we're on the subject of nutrition, another thing I want to talk about, because I've met several people that and this is over a period of years, but that are struggle with their weight and. You know, diet isn't necessarily isn't.

And check like it should be fitness is not in check. Like it should be what people trend towards the, okay, I think I have hypothyroidism. I don't, I don't know if that ends up getting diagnosed, but I know that they can medicate for it. So I don't know if that's a big trend that you, you see as well.

Is this a, you know, people coming in believing or having been told from other clinicians that they have hypothyroidism and then you address it in other ways. Is this something that comes up in your work? Oh, it's huge. We've had women that have been on thyroid meds for decades, all the way up to the mid -80s.

We start working with them. All autoimmune issues, Hashimoto's hyperthyroid issue is one of those, for sure. You start working with them, you heal them up, and their doctors help them wean off of their thyroid medication. It's funny to watch their hair starts growing back. Their skin starts becoming thick, full of color, reflecting light.

They start getting more energy. And when their libido, their sexual drive and desire comes back, they just get giddy. You know, we've got a lot of people, a lot of women. 50s to 80s a lot of them over the years where that's gone on and it's i mean it's so like systemic too that we point to okay no i have this diagnosis you know it's see it in various areas whether it's mental health or you know the the behavioral stuff or something like that where it's no it's not i'm not the reason this has happened uh you know it's my diagnosis it is not where like these are lifestyle changes that could be made and it's just i think that probably robs a lot a lot of people of a lot of i mean it's not robbing them of agency they're they're almost giving up their agency in that but i think if we could start to make that mindset shift in our society too that would have big impacts just generally on the quality of life that people have but the another thing you mentioned earlier and i think just in general along the lines of this dietary stuff and i want to come back to some of the the herbicides as well but is is toxicity which i guess the herbicides tie into um and but so maybe because i know this is also part of your work is the the detox stuff how for stuff like you know the herbicides or molds because i some people get you know that to my understanding the build -up of of mold in their system that can also cause a lot of this information a lot of a lot of other issues and maybe microplastics are these things that you work with uh all of them yeah how you have to test those things okay how do you go is there a general Because, you know, we hear, you hear about detoxes from a, almost like a fad sense, but when you're actually trying to get down to it and go about it in a way to address some of these issues, is there generally or general methods through how you go about this in an actual eradicating or removing these things from your system functions?

It's an extremely good question. And what I'm going to say is probably going to blow you and your listeners away. We don't detox people. I never have. I never will. The detox systems are completely archaic and they never address the real issue. When you think about it, our detox, we have four detox organs, the small intestinal wall, the colon wall, inside of the gut.

That's three out of four. And the liver is only the catch -all for what the gut misses. 75 % of the immune system is in the gut because that's where most of the insult is going to come from. And it makes sense. So within the detox systems, there's two pathways, phase one and phase two.

Phase one has five different ways it can go through it. Phase two has six different ways it goes through it. So when you look at detox issues, people are using binders. The bulk of the toxins are not in the gut. They're systemic. A binder does nothing for systemic toxin.

Absolutely nothing. You got to use vehicles that reach out into the whole of the body. liberate those toxins from the tissues bring them back into the detox systems so i've not ever heard of any other docs say that not once you know and i got i got enough postgraduate um continuing ed in functional medicine to have a doctorate in that and i've never heard one doc whether they're teaching or clinicians or anything, ever say what I just said.

The amount of people that we have get a hold of us who just went through a detox program that absolutely crashed is extremely high. They're generic programs that don't address the individual needs that somebody has. When somebody has a toxicity issue, There's a couple questions. You know, you suspect in toxicity, you got to check the function of all these different organs.

Most people look in the liver, they'll check one or two different tests. We got like 25 tests for liver. Most people might check a couple things for the gut. We're like 50 inside of the gut. We got to know everything that's going on within those systems. And what...

So the big thing, first of all, is there a toxin? If there is, second question is, where is it coming from? Is the body making it? Phase one makes super toxins. Phase two moderates those super toxins, makes them water soluble so we can excrete them. So a pathological detox system has...

a really ramped up, really active phase one and a very depressed phase two. Everybody's keyed into methylation. It's rarely, and I mean rarely, the primary detox pathway that's impaired. Rarely. It's just not it. So you got to find out, okay, is there a toxic problem? Where's that toxin coming from?

Is it coming from the digestive system? Because breaking down food can create that. Is that coming from impaired detox pathways? Is that coming from a leaky gut? Is that coming from herbicides, pesticides? When you look at mold, it's the mold spores. Mold spores are anywhere from two to five microns.

A micron's a thousandth of an inch. So to give you a relative view of things, they're 63 thousandths and a 16th of an inch. So 30... one and a half thousandths per 32nd. There's seven, basically seven and a half thousandths per 64th of an inch. You're talking something really small.

You take a razor blade and draw that across a piece of wood, that's probably three to five thousandths wide. So it's the mold spores where all the toxins are embedded. And those toxins are set up so that any competing microbes can't survive because of the toxicity. So the fungus or the mold, it gets all the food.

So that's what the mycotoxins are all about. But people don't talk about what they are. They think they're something separate. They're always attached to the spores. And mold usually doesn't grow inside of us, but it comes in. primarily through the respiratory tract. It can grow in the sinuses.

That's pretty rare. It can grow in the lungs. It's way more rare than in the sinuses. And rarely does it take up residence anywhere else. You got to have some really serious problems close to death for that to really happen. So, you know, is this microplastics? Is this parabens?

What is the issue that's there? That's the second one. Where did that come from? Because you've got to remove the source to deal with anything. What detox pathways are impaired that are not working? There's no lab test for any of this, by the way. Not one. And with what detox pathways are impaired, that gives you some direction in understanding physiology.

Okay, what do we need to do to... Wake that detox pathway up, upregulate elimination, and almost nobody talks about that either. And I was at a gathering where a bunch of clinicians were there. I was one that did a talk at that gathering, and I was talking to a group of clinicians afterwards, and I asked them, what is the one thing, if you have somebody come in, that's toxic and you want to do detox, like what you said, what's the number one thing you would do?

Not one of them said anything about finding what the toxin was. Not one said anything about finding the source. Not one of them said anything about discovering impaired detox pathways or anything. One said, the first thing I want to do is gain 20 pounds of weight. I'm like, why?

All your toxins store in your fat tissues. Why would you ever do that? You know, there's so many things. Doctors don't study physiology. I'm 40 years out of school. I'm still studying. Do you think autophagy could play a role in that stuff since your body's already cleaning out, you know, damaged and dead cells, that it would naturally start to clear those things?

What word did you use? Autophagy. Oh, okay. Yeah. Like from fasting? I mean, obviously more prolonged fasts. That's a phagocytosis issue that what you're talking about. And there's a normal process of cells dying and being consumed and being excreted. toxins you have to lift out of tissues if an immune cell consumes a toxin it's not dealt with the immune system has no ability to detox any toxin whatsoever the only thing that immune system can do is bring it into the detox system and release it there so it can be brought back in but the the process of it's more like autolysis where cells naturally implode on their dying issue and all that does is release more toxicity it doesn't bring it into the detox pathways it's a bigger problem than i guess i would have thought that i had ever imagined it to be i just like like i said picture that attaches to something you can detach it which i guess is obviously probably from the or my impression of that probably comes from the fact that when people talk about detoxes this is always binders like you had talked about and yeah and they don't work and when i when i talk to somebody about physiology why that works why would you get one it's not the issue and so many programs are out there it's really easy to sell the program but all they only benefit the seller they don't benefit the people that take it yeah people want to believe it works so they leave reviews about things but as far as physiologically goes it's it's a mechanism that can do nothing but fail And that placebo effects are very, very real.

So if you're like, if you know you're on a detox, then you say, Oh, my, all these changes have occurred for me. And you go write these glowing reviews. And then that continues on down the chain. But the I think the other thing we are, I guess I meant to ask you this earlier, you know, this all started as we dove into Lyme disease, and you pointed to candida being really at the root of all that but i don't think i ever asked you i mean that's just something we are exposed to out and about in the world correct but how does it how does that since it is a part of of so much of this and the gut issues how does it become a problem in the body lyme disease what candida i thought was was not just tied to lyme disease okay i've just clarified what question was yeah Essentially, there's a combination of two events that are inseparable.

They always happen in conjunction. There's some kind of inflammatory response that disrupts the microvilli lining of the gut. And with that, it disrupts the normal, healthy microflora in the gut. If you throw an antibiotic, it's going to just destroy. the microbiota, and the inflammation from that will destroy the microvilli with a small delay.

If you take steroids, that might destroy the microvilli first, and then there's no place for the microbiota to stay in. It washes downstream. Food intolerances. Same thing, you know, create inflammatory response. Anything that creates inflammatory response inside of the gut sets the stage for that. And it doesn't take long.

So virtually all your drugs, your steroids, your antibiotics, your NSAIDs, your anti -inflammatory or the counter issues, antifungals create it. Seen that same case with your neuroleptic issues or mental issues. The food intolerances are way, way up on that list. It's a list that just goes on and on and on and on and on.

And sheerly from the inflammation that those food intolerances cause. Yeah, that's all it takes. Some kind of inflammatory issue. The lining of the gut and the lining of the blood vessels is only one cell layer thick. It doesn't take much inflammation to create holes, to create atrophy, to completely change the environment inside.

And as the microvilli are atrophying, you go from the average surface area of the gut being about six square feet, if it was smooth, to the size of a tennis court. With all the microvilli. And whatever the stage of atrophy is, shrinks that tennis court down to six square feet, two by three.

That puts it in perspective, I think. Yeah, it totally does. Well, I think the other big topic that we had kind of... I guess what was shared when we were setting all of this up was fertility, which is obviously a huge issue. We've already touched on some of the big mainstream things that are, I think, more so now in people's minds than ever.

People are more aware of causing to fertility, but I think this is also a more pertinent issue. Many countries in the modern world, our own as well, are starting to slip or have already slipped. underneath replacement rate like we're in population decline which is a real real issue right and this is so at some point fertility people fertility is going to be a lot bigger issue than just an inconvenience that that or infertility will be so what in this area what are the the big contributors that you're seeing outside of endocrine disruptors and the hormone imbalance is caused by the things that we've already discussed the Virtually all of that links back to one word, toxicity.

With the induction of COVID and the vax, that took the live birth rate in populations that were prevalent for vaccines. It dropped it by 70 to 90 plus percent. Can you say that? The people who subjected themselves to the vaccination with COVID, 70 to 90 % reduction in live births.

The whole issue with infertility has to do with toxicity. The thyroid is 50 % of a woman's cycle. Thyroid dysfunctions response for 60 % of miscarriages until COVID and the vax. And they worsened it by 75 to 90%. Is that what you said? That's what in the vaccinated population around the world, 70 to 90 % reduction in live births.

Why is this the first time that I've heard of that? Because I'm not afraid of the filters that are out there. Yeah. And I'm a pretty straight shooter. Plus I have the tools to research that and I have the tools to prove it out. We had a mom get a hold of us.

Their infant was like two months old. Had just visited grandma who was just vaccinated. That infant started menstruating within two hours of grandma giving her a hug. But the grandma got vaccinated and the contact with her disrupted the child. Disrupted the child. A two -month -old child started menstruating.

There's wicked toxins in there. Wicked. Do you have, maybe once we're done here, would you be able to send me, was this for pointing to the live birth reduction? I could look it up. Okay, so it's out there and people just aren't talking about it. It's not like you found that.

Oh, no, it's widely known. Wow. You could just do a Google search and you'll find it. Yeah, I'm going to after we hop. It's crazy because, you know, it's... That's just... Toxicity is what drives every metabolic dysfunction. And the lion's share of that comes out of the gut.

And most of that is fueled by pharmaceutical industry and food industry. I've been working on putting a dietary program together that's going to be released real soon. That's something your listeners may really be interested in. There's nothing like it that I've ever seen out there. How effective is in terms of addressing or trying to circumvent Some of this, the toxicity or the toxicity from the food system, obviously whole foods, but like the getting real granular on it.

What, what is the, what was your take on the effectiveness of going organic with the, the produce and stuff that you're buying? Organic is a big lie. Um, it used to mean something 20 plus years ago. It doesn't anymore. I. Worked with a lot of people who've been in the organic industry and around it.

It's just as toxic as commercial growing. They just put their toxins away when the inspector shows up. And that's pathetic. There was a couple of farmers who peddled their commercial crops as if they were organic. And they made some like 63 million extra in profit. And they both ended up in jail.

for that but you're better off with non -certified organic that you get at your local farmer's market just where you know where it's going yeah you can talk to the people about their growing practices and a simple question you ask them so how do you feed your plants if they say i don't feed my plants i feed the soil they know what they're doing Those are the people you want to buy from.

Non -certified organic is just barely over supermarket prices, but those are the people who are really making things clean. And that's where you can find where to get clean meats. They know who really does grass -fed, grass -finished, things along that line. There's a book called The Kellogg Report.

It was written back in the 80s, I think. It's an 1 ,100 -page report from congressional records looking at what went on with the agricultural industry. They were highly concerned of the soil depletion way back in the 1930s in Congress and talking about the depletion of nutrients in our food because of soil depletion.

But when you take a crop, like whether you're talking a fruit, a melon, a cucumber, whatever, you pick that off of a tree, a bush, a plant, in one week it's lost 50 % of its nutrition. One week. If that's trucked across the country, that's at least three days of and then you got distributorship and then getting into shells.

You look at spices, most spices have been in the warehouse for two to three years before they ever hit the shell. There's just nothing left of these things. So if you go to your local farmer's market, you get stuff that's picked today. Huge, huge, huge difference. Yeah. Well, that's actually, I was, I just went to Croatia a couple of weeks ago for vacation.

That was something that stuck with me. I mean, it was the, we, we went to three of their, their bigger cities, which are not, you know, big cities in the States, but it was everyday farmers markets. It's not a once a week or once every two week thing.

It's every day there's farmers markets walking around with just everything. It's a really common in Asia and Europe. Yeah. But it's funny. I mean, the friend that I was with, like we had specifically talked about that, like, man, how nice is this? How nice would that be to just be able to, you know, take a five minute walk from your house every day and go cruise around and see, see what's there.

I think, you know, that's part of also a community, which we're, we're greatly lacking in this country as well as community. But we, we interact and talk to people out in stores and things like that. It just shocks people. Nobody talks anymore. and actually have engaging conversations that are meaningful you know we yeah i think it's fun to go in a store and see somebody in front of an aisle or a cooler or something and you can tell they're trying to figure out what's the best thing and i go you know walk up and ask them you trying to figure out what's the best one in there and they go yeah which one of these is locally grown i'll tell them i don't know which one's locally grown but i can show you which one's the best for you and we do the muscle testing and it's something you can't argue with it it's so blatantly obvious you can't argue with it you can't play games with and they go wow thanks a lot that's huge and then they take the best thing i said that's the one you want to stick with that's so that way if they feel like that would almost be jarring of like when you got home from that if you're that person you're like what the fuck just happened like yeah Yeah, and it's not a sales pitch.

I'm not putting business cards in people's hands after doing that. Oftentimes, I don't even tell them who I am. It's like a little party trick. No, it's just, it's me. Yeah. You know, people used to be communal. They used to help people. Neighbors used to watch out for each other, and I'm more old school in my belief system for that.

And the way that I live. And so I'm no different wherever I am. And the Lord's a huge part of that. He just, he directs me and me and my wife into all of these meeting people that he just, he orchestrated to share life. And it does become a soapbox to preach at them if they're interested in that.

But that's okay. Yeah. Well, I mean, you're definitely on a unique path and one that I appreciate. I've learned a godly amount of information today. I'm going to have to listen to this again. I do that with quite a few. a lot of these episodes i have to go back and listen to them because it's very very different getting the information afterwards and not you know being able to key in in a different way than i am while i'm doing it but this is this was a very very loaded one and i this but you know this is exactly what i was hoping for was to just i because i feel like i i have a decent awareness uh compared to the general baseline of people just around some of this stuff more in the the food and exercise side of things but almost all of what you dropped today i'd never never really heard of and so people need to and again this is it's these these kinds of conversations getting information out there that you know you build up a wealth of these things and it starts planting seeds that can drive change over time so and that's a real yeah and you asked if i've done this this is why you know i've been on some one percent broadcasts and all the hosts always say i'm been one of the best guests they've ever had because this is who i am you know i don't there's no script i have no idea what kind of questions you're asking but i've got this huge wealth of information because i'm a researcher and i i I'm always asking the question why and digging for answers.

And there's always an answer under that answer and another answer underneath that one. There's no end to the layers you can go through in finding these things out. And the foundational truths are what we really need to base our life on. Yeah, I knew. Because I, you know, the prep stuff that I sent you is the same stuff that I send everyone.

And there's some people have apprehension around the fact that I say, hey, I do not send over questions beforehand to like, this is free flowing. I come into it prepared and ready to talk to you. I'll leave the conversation as need be. But, you know, I get people emailing back sometimes for like, okay, but no, but like, I need to know what we're going to talk about kind of thing.

And when you said, no, this is how I do my show too. I was like, this is going to be a great conversation. It's just, it points to a different level of comfort and knowing what you're talking about. And just, I think the willingness to be open about stuff.

So I just, I appreciate it and appreciate what you're doing. And if someone's going to want to reach out to you after this, so where, where can everyone find you? My, my website's really the best one. It's healthfullyyou .com. Okay. So H -E -A -L -T -H -F -U -L -L -Y, the letter U dot com.

And that dietary program is probably going to be on diet .healthfullyu .com within the next couple of weeks. So I don't know when you're going to air this, but I've got a couple of things to build. I've got all the written side done. I've got two small sections of video left to do.

Build a landing page and it's going live. Okay. Yeah, this should come out about two months from now. That's typically like the buffer that I maintain with episodes. So it'll probably be out by then, which will be good. So if you're listening right now, go take a peek.

I'll also, I'll have healthfully you linked in the show notes. Is there anything else you want to mention before we wrap this thing up? That's pretty much it. The one thing that really sets us apart. most docs can only help 20 to 25 percent of people that walk in their door and that's only reduces symptoms i couldn't live with that poor results we're over 90 percent resolution back to full health of other doctors failures who people have had problems for decades and spent fortunes ongoing for 40 years we beat every other doc from every other kind of profession specialty in every case we've shared with for 40 years and that's not something really hardly any natural doc can honestly say and i think you tell by the way i talk i'm not full of braggadocio it's just that's a reality to me that's humbling that's god he empowers what we do and and he gives us direction on how to get people well give it their life's eye yeah well the fact yeah i mean you're you're out here sharing the information you're not getting paid to be here that's i i appreciate what you're doing man and hopefully this this sent some people your way and that again this this plays its tiny role in in shifting the conversation around this stuff so thank you again for for being here yeah well thanks for the invite this was enjoyable yeah And thanks everyone at home for listening to another episode of Going In Blind.

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